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Fred Lang, who graduated from the Transformative
Learning & Change Program (TLC) in 2000,
is a learning technology specialist with
the U.S. Office of Personnel Management
(OPM). This federal agency prepares policy
guidance and exercises leadership for most
federal agencies in matters of personnel
and training. As the lead staff person in
learning technology for OPM, Fred facilitates
collaboration between federal agencies in
the testing of new learning technologies.
The learning technologies he works with
range from CD-ROM, satellite, Intranet,
Internet, and 3D-virtual simulation, to
high-tech classrooms.
Neila Hingorani, a former student in
TLC, talks with Fred about his work, his
experience at CIIS, and his thoughts on
the fast-changing world of learning technology.
NH: First, I'd like to ask why you chose
CIIS as the place to get your doctorate?
FL: I travel quite a bit, and I
liked the fact that CIIS offered the flexibility
to design your own courses. Convenience,
flexibility, and the fact that it is accredited
were all important. And frankly, CIIS also
offered this homegrown conservative Catholic
the chance to really open and expand myself.
I was a changed individual at the end of
the process. Being exposed to East-West
thinking and to a variety of religions opened
me up to many different viewpoints and paradigms
that I really hadn't considered before.
There are some fantastic instructors at
CIIS whose backgrounds and credentials are
extremely impressive. CIIS is really lucky
to have them.
My academic emphasis was organizational
development and behavior. Having previously
taught online, I saw a future in distance
learning and knew there was very little
research that had been done at the time.
So I was attracted by the program's combination
of online format and the opportunity to
study organizations in depth.
NH: What was your dissertation topic?
FL: The prime motivation in my research
was to become a better instructor. For my
dissertation, titled, "Distance Learning:
New Frontiers in Education?" I used distance
learning tools to collect data, and held
synchronous interviews online with instructors
and students from all over the world.
I was particularly interested in what "best
practices" they had found in online teaching
and learning: what approaches and techniques
worked most successfully. One finding was
that there should be an orientation course
for both instructors and students. And the
learning technology must not get in the
way of learning. Another finding was that
students in an online environment want to
be validated. The instructor needs to draw
out things from adults who bring a richness
of experience. The instructor is less a
fount of knowledge than a facilitator of
knowledge. Because there are no visual clues
or body language, the instructor must create
a structure such that students understand
what's expected of them. It needs to be
an open yet safe environment for people
to discuss subjects freely. Learning is
not about one technology being better than
another; rather it's about how the instructor
uses that technology to transfer learning.
Another extremely important element in online
teaching is the ability to craft questions
carefully in order to stimulate discussion.
NH: In what ways might a degree in Transformative
Learning and Change be useful and meaningful
for graduates?
FL: Adults want to learn something
that is applicable to their lives. Instructors
need to show how it can apply to students'
lives or they have failed. It is up to the
instructor to infuse it with humanness.
If you are looking for employment in many,
many fields today, it is important to have
experience in a web-based environment. Also,
in a certain way, it addresses our difficulties
with race and ethnicity. In online learning,
you can get away from biases because you
are concentrating on the pure thought.
NH: There are different views on how
to approach online learning. For example,
there is a facilitative, open, interactive
versus module-based learning which is designed
in a way that facilitators. What are your
thoughts on this?
FL: This question gets down to the
pedagogy of teaching. Should the instructor
work with a module (which standardizes the
material delivered) and add value to that,
or teach without a module? Working with
a module means that the instructor may provide
less of their own knowledge than students
expect. I favor modules because it helps
raise the bar on expectations, so that students
know they can get a high quality level of
education.
NH: Would you talk about the work you
are doing now?
FL: In 1999, while I was working
for U.S. Department of Treasury on the West
coast, I applied for a job with the U.S.
Office of Personnel Management. At the time,
the government was going through a transition
and needed to find a method of training
that would reach all federal employees,
but that would be less expensive than the
traditional classroom approach. They were
moving towards "distributed learning" (defined
as any method of learning that is distributed
for the purposes of education or training),
sometimes called e-learning. This covers
CD-ROM training, satellite training, online
learning, correspondenceit's a very
broad term that is evolving. No one technology
has the answer, but hybridssuch as
combining the Internet and satellites, can
be very successful.
Some of the learning technology that is
being used by the federal government is
truly awesome. The Foreign Service Institute
of the Department of State is teaching sixty
languages to Foreign Service officers all
over world, and they're doing it in a Web-based
environment. They found that having a U.S.-based
mentor worked best, so even if you are in
Afghanistan studying Russian, you have a
mentor in the States. The FBI is using "expert
systems" based on CD-ROMs to train their
agents to conduct interviews. The technology
enables them to ask different questions
each time, allowing for "alternative outcomes."
By the way, this information is all in the
public domain!
The Department of Defense has what's called
a Verts system that uses 3-D, virtual simulation
to train people to handle events relating
to emergency situations. For example, say
a response team is on their way to a hazardous
spill. In their van, they can link to virtual
pictures of the location that can be calibrated
down to one foot. That means they can experience
the event in a virtual way and solve the
problem even before they arrive at the location!
NH: What most satisfies you about your
work?
FL: I feel that I can have a demonstrable
impact on triggering new pilot demonstration
projects by helping to provide a forum for
discussion. By bringing multiple federal
agencies together to share their experiences,
they learn from each other and avoid duplicating
errors. As we encourage agencies to try
new learning technologies, we are learning
from the process; then we can translate
what we have learned to both the public
and the private sectors.
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